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Podcast: Yoann Barelli shares an in-depth perspective on how he sends it 'safely'

Recently, I was lucky enough to catch up with local legend, Yoann Barelli for a fun ride and conversation.

Before the interview, we rode the Double Black trail, Green Monster in Whistler and I got to see Yoann's mental processes in real time as he assessed an 'alternate' line down a rock face off to the side of the trail - you can watch that video below.

From there we sat down stoked and inspired in the September sun and talked about everything from his new sponsorship deals to the specifics of how his mind works.

In this episode of the podcast we cover:

- His mental process from start to finish

- How he uses humour to stay grounded and present

- Breathwork in riding

- How he assesses risk

- His specific Visualization strategy

And so, so, much more.

It was truly epic to see Yoann's decision making in real time and I think it highlights the importance of having these conversations and knowing that even the best in the business listen to their 'gut feelings' and say no to features sometimes. See it for yourself below!

You can follow Yoann on Instagram @yoannbarelli and YouTube @YoannBarelli and check out his coaching at

Listen here or by searching for ‘Grit with Wisdom’ on Apple Podcasts, Spotify, Youtube, or over on my website, and you can follow me on Instagram @the_mind_mountain

Happy trails - Jake Johnstone

Photo credit: Liam Wallace Full Transcript:

Welcome to Grit With Wisdom. This is the podcast that delves deep into the inner psyche of mountain bikers from all aspects of our sport in order to discover the tools and the tactics that can help us have more fun out on the trails more often. Our aim here is to help you understand what it takes to push our own personal boundaries in the sport we love, from a mental and emotional perspective.

Today on the show, we have the man, the myth, the legend, Mr. Yoann Baralli. Thank you. For most of you listening, this guy probably doesn't need much of an intro. As you already know, he is a professional mountain biker and CEO of Good Times.

For those of you that aren't familiar, Yoann grew up riding bikes in Nice, in the [00:01:00] south of France, and I believe has been racing since the tender age of about seven years old.

That was a long time ago.

There we go. 1993. My

first race. It was a cross country race. Fantastic, dude. So from there you went on to have numerous successes including becoming the French elite downhill champion in 2004 and then multiple podium finishes in the Enduro World Series after that.

Over the past few years we've seen Yoann pivot towards more of a freeriding style, getting creative and of course having loads of fun. He shares his incredible passion energy through his coaching business and brand, Into the Gnar, which we've got some exciting news for you on today. this was launched back in 2020, it's absolutely blown up since.

Right, Yoann that's enough from me for now. Welcome to the show.

Thank you so much. Thank you for having me. Pleasure.

Thank you for an incredible ride. We just went out and rode Green Monster in your backyard here in

Whistler. Exactly. We rode Green Monster. The [00:02:00] funny story with Green Monster is that. When I moved to Whistler in 2014, Green Monster was probably one of the gnarliest trails I've ever ridden in my life.

Yeah. And then, uh, and then now it's actually becoming quite chill. Isn't that incredible? And it's becoming chill for so many people. Like the level, the level, it keeps on going up. It's kinda, it's kinda crazy. The level in the sea to sky is, is insane. And really the level in the, in the world is really, uh, it's going up, huh?

It's really, it's insane. The bikes are becoming more and more capable. But anyway, so Green Monster was like gnarliest trail when I moved here. And then, it was actually the second episode of my Into the Gnar series that I started in 2019. And, uh, I haven't, I haven't ridden Green Monster in, like, the, like, maybe two, three years.

So today was my first time in two, three years with you, and it was your first time today. And it was beautiful. Such

a cool trail. Yeah, and it was so cool to spend a little bit more [00:03:00] time riding with you. you and kind of soaking up your, your process for those that haven't already watched. I really recommend after this, go and watch the video of Yoann and I riding Green Monster.

and you'll get to see maybe a little bit more of a look into Yoann's process, into his thinking. you're assessing the new Green Monster, Green Monster 2. 0, off to the side of the trail. It

was kind of funny because we stopped right here and I look to the right, I saw this rock and I was like, huh. I wonder if we can actually write on that.

And it looks like someone maybe has ridden it. Which I think, uh, if you're actually, if someone knows there's a line on Green Monster, actually before the Green Monster, there's a line on the right. A line, it's a rock. So if you know someone who's ridden that before, let us know because we are curious.

Anyways, I was looking at this thing. I didn't end up doing it. And then that's something we can talk about, uh... Totally.

Yeah, definitely want to get into that risk assessment piece later on. Before we do that, I'm itching [00:04:00] because I know you've got some big news for us today. What's new for

you? So what's new for me?

Uh, big change with, uh, um, uh, sponsorship and brands. Uh, I signed, just signed with Da Vinci. Uh, GG, the GG piece, it was, it was, it's too bad. Like it was such a, an amazing relationship that I had with GG, like such a cool brand. And I think like really like a passion, passion project that I started 10 years ago.

And then unfortunately, uh, like I, I not allowed to go too much into the details with GG, but like the, the relationship ended, uh, for some, some reasons and, uh, but anyways bounced with, uh, With DaVinci, which is amazing, they are really, uh, aligned with all the things that I've been trying to do, like working more with local brands.

And DaVinci makes 70 to 80 percent of their full fleet now in Quebec. So, and that's also another component with DaVinci that's amazing is that I'm going to be linked with my roots [00:05:00] and I'm going to be able to speak French again!

So pour la France, c'est

reparti! C'est bon ça! Very,

very cool. Super pumped. Uh, they have all the bikes. Um, I'm riding now the, the chainsaw. In uh, 29, 29 uh, version right now. It's just behind us. 170, 170 bike is a beast. It's like a really capable freeride bike. So it's definitely not the, the most efficient climber I would say. But for someone who wants to send it and uh, ride burly lines.

and wants to still pedal around. This is a really cool bike, made in Quebec and pretty, pretty affordable, which is

super cool. Ah, that's fantastic. And how did you find the transition? Changing bikes in a big way. You've got a high chainstay bike now. Did you have to dial things back a little bit and get used to it?

Or did

you just feel comfortable? No, no, no. It took me quite a bit. I'm just starting to kind of feel good now. And it's been, uh, we are recording [00:06:00] this we are early September, mid September, almost. And then I rode my first chainsaw during Crankworx. Uh, and they gave me a size medium at first, because I was kind of swapping between size 3 GG, and for some stuff I was more comfortable on the size 3, for example racing enduro, like the size, I raced the Crankworx Enduro on the size 3, and I did Tour Denain on the size 4, same bike, but different size.

So for different things, I like a different, different size, different, you know, different riding, different size, so at first the medium felt a bit kind of short, and then now with the large. It's a 495 reach, so it's a long bike, but super slick, it's like 62. 9 degree angle, you see? So it kind of, so it brings you, brings back the cockpit a little bit closer, and like the, the size large right now feels like, uh, I'm really starting to feel at home.

That's fantastic.

Yeah, it's super cool. Awesome, man. So do you think you'll stick with just the size large, ride that for everything this

season or? No, no, no. So the deal [00:07:00] with DaVinci is to ride all the bikes. So I'm going to get an e bike, I'm going to get a Troy, I'm going to get the Spartan as well. Right.

So I'm going to get all the bikes. I'm super excited about the e bike.

I'm not jealous.

E bikes are pretty amazing. And then if you are, uh, like I have a big family, we have four kids. And sometimes my windows to rides are pretty short and with an e bike I can go like, boom, two hours, one hour, and then I do a big, big lap and uh, yoop de loop.

Definitely a cool tool, aren't they? I think more and more people in the mountain bike world are coming on board with like, hey, an e bike could be a really cool bike. Exactly. As well as a regular bike.

Exactly. Like for me, like it's, it's definitely not going to become the only bike I'm going to ride. Um, but like for spring, when the snow is starting to melt here in Whistler.

Just going with a little chainsaw in your backpack, climb up the trails, cut some trees, like, you know, like clear up some stuff, like little trail building and stuff, the e bike is definitely the tool.

We're going to talk about mindset in just a second, but before we do [00:08:00] that, is there going to be an Into The Gnar e...

e gnar?

Oh, e gnar. I actually had a few clients who showed up with e bikes, and, uh, we, we, it's the same techniques, huh? Fantastic. I'd love to see you

setting stuff on an e bike though.

But I did the, to send stuff on the e bike, I did the train gap with an e bike when I was at Commencal. It was the first e bike actually that they made, and the engine was not really powerful.

So I was like, over when I was sprinting to take the speed. Like I was like... How do you say? You're over... No, but I was basically, uh, going over the engine. So basically I was like sprinting with a really heavy e bike, but the engine was not helping me anymore. You know, like you're producing too much more power than the engine does.

So in the sprint, I was like boosting over the engine, sprinting on a big bike. And I just like barely [00:09:00] made it. Remy Metaillé was there.

And he was like, Yoann, you have the speed. I was

like, are you sure? Are you sure? And he was like, yes, send it. And I just went. And I just like barely made the train gap on the e bike.


anyways, they are pretty

capable. And that was a long time ago. I can't wait to see what you do on the DMG. It's going to be good. Man, you're obviously incredibly passionate about mountain biking and all aspects of it, you love it. I'd love to ask you here, like, what is your why, when we dig down into it, what is your why when it comes to mountain biking?


do I ride? Yeah. Because, uh, I think it's the, for me, it's the most fun thing that I can do. And, you know, like it really goes back to when I was a little kid, huh? And I started to ride when I was like five, six year old. And my brother was, you know, like, we were just like kids biking around. And then one day with my brother, we were in our, uh, in our yard, in the south of France, in Pays.

So I grew [00:10:00] up in the same street as Fabien Barrel, Nicolas Vuilloz. So for some people that are a little bit older, they're going to know his name. Like, multiple times world champion in downhill. And, um, and then one day we were playing in the yard with my brother, and we had a little trail going by. And then there was a cross country race who just passed in front of us.

And we looked at each other and we're like, Oh, that's cool. And then we asked our parents, what was that? And, um, and then they signed up, they signed us up for the first, uh, our first race. My brother won, and then I won. Wow. Like a little kid, huh? My, I, I still remember the shifting wasn't working. It was actually the shifting on top of the handlebar, like the, uh, Yeah, the index shifting.

Yeah, it was the index shifting. Uh, fully rigid. And then from there it was just like so much fun, like we, we grew up and we were just a bunch of kids like playing around and building jumps and so many kids in the same like villages around us just getting together and it was just like a pure, uh, it became a [00:11:00] true, true passion for me and then all the time like bringing a lot of joy and it took me a long time to become pro It took me 20 years actually, because I started biking in 1993, that's when I did my first race, and I became pro in 2013.

Yeah, so


years of... 20 years just like... Racing, riding, training, doing the work. I wanted to ask, like, what keeps you passionate and motivated these days, and what kept you passionate and motivated then to keep on pushing towards this goal? The

beauty of this sport is that... for me, it keeps me, it's, it's always, uh, it keeps me fresh.

It keeps it, it keeps it interesting in the way that the bikes are really evolving. They are really, uh, they've changed so much since 1993 till 2023 right now. It's insane, huh? 30 years of biking. And then the, the, so the things that we were able to do back in the days compared to now are completely different as well.

And, [00:12:00] uh, and then I've been through like... Racing cross country to like racing some kind of like Gymkhana's in when we were kids we were doing like trials, downhill, cross country in the same day. Wow, that's fantastic. So we were like just doing so many things and then I switched to downhill mainly and then I went to Enduro and then after Enduro I started the coaching but at the same time as the coaching now I'm doing more freeriding and I'm still racing a little bit here and there.

So it's always kind of keeping me, uh, like in, like interested. Yeah. And really, uh. Like discovering new things, which is, which is super cool.

It's so cool to hear and it's been so cool to follow along and watch over the years to all these different kind of career shifts. And, you know, you're always excited about something.

Definitely. Always laughing. I don't know. I wanted to ask you like, how do you use humor as somewhat of a tool on the bike to keep you in the right headspace?

But there's no need to take yourself [00:13:00] too seriously, in a way, like, so you keep it fun. Like, you don't need to be too, too serious about things. At some, at, about things.

At some point, things become serious, like today. Like, when we looked at this thing, this line and stuff, like, things become a bit, became a bit more okay. Like, now we need to be focused, I did a bit of breathwork at the start and everything. But, uh, you move, and when I said, you know what, I'm not doing it, I kind of took it in a joking way.

Like, it's not the end of the world, let's just move on, it's chill. It's, uh, yeah. I don't know if I really answered your question.

It makes sense. Kind of using it as a way to kind of snap in and out of those focused series.

Exactly. And I think that's more my, who I am. I'm more like a kind of a, I like a good joke.

Totally man. And we were kind of chatting on the ride there on our pedal up about how some of this humor has perhaps helped you a career along the way too with some of the YouTube videos

and stuff like this. And that I think comes, comes back to when I, even when I became pro. A lot of people, when there's [00:14:00] all of a sudden, boom, you're getting paid and everything, it becomes a job and you have to be serious and everything.

But for me, it's like, I'm a mountain biker. I ride my bike in the forest. Like, I do the same thing that I was doing when I was a little kid. So there's, like, I'm not a surgeon, I'm not saving lives here, so it's, uh...

And I think, yeah, it's a great way of representing mountain biking because it's meant to be fun.


it's a really, really fun sport and then when I always, when I start actually a session, a coaching session, I ask people, why do you bike? And then the majority of the people, I'm going to say 90 to 95%, they're going to say, it can be different reasons, but they're always going to say, it's because it's super fun.

Totally. It's damn fun. Yeah. You go down the train and then it makes you, it makes you smile. Yeah. Like you, uh... Like it's so cool. I really love that and then the the better you ride and the better you kind of create that flow on the trail and the better it feels and the more you You finish your ride and you're like, fuck yeah, that's, that was good.[00:15:00]

Sure was, just like our ride today. Exactly. I love it man. So I wanted to dive in a little bit here and talk about the mental side of your riding. In particular, I'd love to talk here about the processes that you use and some of the tools you use when you're assessing a new feature for the first time or perhaps doing something you're a little bit nervous about.

The... It's basically, as you say, like, looking at a new line, it's a, it's a process. It's like the way, the way you can, to simplify things, you should see it as a puzzle. And then at first, when you're gonna show up on the line, a new line, it's gonna be like this kind of, like, pieces everywhere, you don't, you don't really see things properly, and you just have to go through that process of like...

Analyzing the line and then the way I do it, I use my like knowledge and tools that I've developed with coaching actually. Like how do I actually look at the line? What's the process? And first I'm going to focus of like, where am I looking? [00:16:00] Where am I kind of visual points for me? I'm going to look here.

Once I'm here, I'm going to look there. Once I'm there, I'm going to look over there. What kind of speed does the feature require? What's the speed at the entry? What's the speed during the move? What's the speed at the exit? And what's the move that I'm going to have to do with my body? As soon as I start to understand that, the pieces of the puzzle start to become poom, poom, poom.

You start to have a clear picture, and then, there's the moment that everything makes sense, and then you get to your bike. And that's when things become real. That's like, okay, now you have to do a little process with yourself, a little check in. First you were thinking about the line, now you have to do a little check in with yourself.

Are you tired? Are you focused? Do you see the line clearly? Do you, uh, do you understand it? And then if... If, uh, as I go through that little checklist, I'm getting a bunch of no, then it's a, it's a no. It's a no go. Ego, there's no place for the ego at some point, like when you're going to crash on like [00:17:00] a feature on a double black trail and beyond, like now there's so many double black and beyond.

There's actually no, there's pro line, but like what's a qualification for what's, what's after that? It's a big category, isn't it? Exactly. And once you do this kind of stuff. If you crash, you are going to hurt yourself. There's no way around it. There's no way around it.

Dude, there's so much I want to dive into there.

Such a grounded process.

Exactly. And so, when, when, so today, when, when I was up there, I was looking at this thing. Very technical move. Like, kind of, we looked at it. It was like more than 75 degrees steep. With a pretty technical transition at the top. Mossy. Traction was a bit, kind of, we didn't really know, huh?

It was a bit sketchy. And a very sharp move. At the entry, very steep, to no run out. Basically, there was no run out. And so, when I went to my little kind of checklist at the top, I was like, you know what? I'm [00:18:00] actually not really seeing the move at the top right now. And the traction is a bit so so. My, I couldn't really have my focus dialed at the top.

You see, I was kind of like blinking my eyes a little bit. I was like, it's kind of weird. And so, for me, that's, that's a no go. If I go over the bars or something like that on, on a line like that, I'm gonna get hurt. Totally. Yeah. So...

There's no point. It's obviously a process you've honed in and perfected over all these years of experience.

You mentioned right at the start there, that perhaps the coaching has added to that process for your own riding as well. How has it changed since you've started coaching? I

think that my, my level of riding has completely improved since I started coaching, basically. Cause it's been such a. Biking for me was such a sport that I, that I did naturally.

And the only thing that I really worked on when I was training was really my physical aspect of things, like training, going to the gym and doing interval trainings and like really being the [00:19:00] fittest that I could be. But we've never, back in the days, we've never really done a lot of work like on the technical aspects, on like how do you actually ride, looking at this kind of stuff.

We never really done that. So when I started coaching, I actually was teaching techniques and I had to execute these techniques in front of people. So my riding really, I starting to put, I started to put words on like actions and stuff. And the more I was saying things and the more I was actually watching myself because people were feeling me and watching stuff.

And I was like, actually, I'm, I'm not necessarily doing what I'm saying right now. And then slowly, step by step, I started to really execute better and better and better. And my, my technical. Um, level has completely improved. Like I'm doing stuff these days that I would not, never imagine, uh, three years ago.


Never. Isn't it amazing that process of teaching riders that are not necessarily at a level that they're able to challenge you. Exactly. Still helps [00:20:00] your riding

improve. Yeah. And then this summer, when we started the, the summer, the coaching, the coaching season, I always, uh, sometimes saying, saying to my clients, if you see something today that you want me to do.

Just don't hesitate and tell me and then just like to basically as a training for tourdenar to Snap into that that focus mode right just on demand and it was such a good exercise that I've done many times where people are Like do you think someone will ride this line in the in these conditions today and I will be like is it a challenge?

And I've done that a few times where

I'm like, you know what I can completely do that. I'm gonna go through the process and I will show people how to go how I go through my process Right, and if I feel it, I'm like she goes let's go boom and then I will completely do it I love

it. So you're talking about this like snap get into the zone.

Yeah I'm sure a lot of people listening would love to get into [00:21:00] their zone more often But it's and to go so like okay. Yo, and you wouldn't ride this. I'd love to see you ride. Yeah, okay Okay,

what do you do? But if then I will exactly go through the same process that I described earlier I would go to my process of like looking at the line Analyzing it with like what kind of speed what's the move and then if it's something that I've done before Then I just simply have to remember exactly what I've been doing, like I know the moves, like they, they are in you, huh?

You mentioned

today that the feature we were looking at was very similar to another one you've done in

Squamish. Very similar than the rock to rock, uh, drop in the Guranga line in Squamish. If you don't rock to rock, you can actually ride the steep chute. Very similar, but the entry, different, completely different, and the conditions, very different.

For sure. The move itself, steepness, length, and everything. Totally similar. So right here I was kind of, but there was a few elements that I was not really seeing and then boom, no go. Yeah,

dude, really wise. And when you talk [00:22:00] about seeing yourself riding a line, I know from speaking to lots of different ridiers on this podcast, sometimes it differs.

How do you see yourself? Is it in that kind of third person bird's eye view or are you looking through your own eyes when you're visualizing

it? Before, before I drop in, I'm going to basically simply go to my process and I'm going to speak it out loud sometimes. Let's, for example, do, uh, the rock roll on Hueso.

You see, when we start at the tree, and you are on that spine rock, there's that little step, and then you ride that rock, half camber, on Weso. Yeah. The process on this thing is that I put my handlebar on the tree, I'm gonna stand up nice and tall, and then I'm going, walking speed all the way to that little step, engage my shoulders, push down, accelerate to jogging speed, ride on the tree rocks, look down, engage my shoulders, push down in the compression, exit.

If my process... Click scene and then I exactly see the steps and they already click like that. It's go time

So you say that almost playing out like a movie?

Exactly Fantastic. I [00:23:00] exactly know. And then it becomes really part of you. So sometime that process is gonna take you one try. Like, you know, like you, you watch it and you're like, okay, this is what I'm gonna do.

Yeah. Sometimes that process is gonna take a bit longer. Totally. Like it's gonna take a bit more time. Mm-hmm. And maybe a bit, some movement on the line and you might prepare it, change it a little bit, make it a bit better, and then that's still part of your process. And sometimes it's gonna require a few running.

I'm gonna running. And then you approach it on your bike, you approach, you place yourself. Okay, I'm going to go back up, another run in, and that's part of the process. If you need to do 10 run in, do 10 run in. rampage, the practice is the most scary thing that I've ever witnessed in my life. To watch the rampage athletes going through their process, to do their monstrous lines for the first time in the desert.

Yeah. And sometimes it's going to take like 30 run in for them. [00:24:00] But the things are so huge. That's, that's exactly what they are doing. And they are doing exactly the same thing. They really like, go through that process and then until they ex They see themselves perfectly executing the thing. And you even like, feel it at some point, huh?

You're like, that's the move, like you can mimic the move. And once you are in this kind of state, everything kind of clicks. It's go time, and then most of the time it

works out. Yeah, totally. Most of the time it works, I love it. Um, so talking there, like, yeah, doing multiple run ins, 10 run ins, 30 run ins, I know a lot of mountain bikers will have an issue with, say, staring at a feature for too long or doing too many run ins.

Yes, sir. Do you have any kind of rule or any limit you'll give yourself?

Not necessarily. I think that what, what, uh, one mistake that people do is that sometimes they are going to need some run in. They go through their process of looking at the line and everything, they go to the bike, and then they are going to go as if they are going to do the line.

But in fact, they actually need a run in and they know it, but they don't exactly [00:25:00] know how to express it. So they go and then they, they kind of, at the end, they're like, Ah! They pull a foot down before dropping in. And, and then they get frustrated. They're like, okay, I'm gonna go back up. And then they just like, go to the top, and then go back in.

Without taking the time to like, Reset, refresh, go through the process again, and then they go again, stumble at the, at the, the top, pull the foot down, get more frustrated, go back to, and the frustration kind of goes up, and that's the, the, the best recipe for a disaster.

Yeah, I see that in myself, I've seen that in

many riders.

So, do, acknowledge that you're going to need some running, and it's part of the process, and then you even, uh, say it. I'm going to do a run in. Boom. Go back up. I'm going to do another run in, and it depends, like, if, if you are riding and you're just doing, like, a few lines. Which I do sometimes. I go with Nate, and Ryder, and Steve, and Remy.

And we are already going to focus on a few lines, and we're going to try to challenge ourselves. And in this kind of scenario, you can spend a lot of time. And there's no rush. But if you are [00:26:00] in the middle of a line with a bunch of riders, and then you have to do many tries after, like you do to run in, if you don't have it, let's move on.

Totally. Yeah.

So correct me if I'm wrong, but it sounds like you're being really intentional there. about the commitment piece. You're either calling it a run in or you're saying I'm gonna, I'm gonna do this, I'm committing here. Exactly. Rather than this kind of half, maybe 90 percent commitment where we're like, ah, we'll see how it goes and then stop in, opening the door for frustration.

Yeah. Yeah, interesting. I love that.

I think, yeah, and that's just the more you're going to expose yourself to this kind of stuff, the more you're going to expose yourself to, um, to pushing the limit a little bit and being scared. The more you're going to develop techniques Like I do, I do that every day.

Hello everyone and thanks for listening. If you're enjoying the podcast, [00:27:00] don't forget to give it a like, give it a subscribe. And if you'd like to know more about my journey in mountain biking and my background as a mountain bike coach, check out episode number 29 where I dive a little bit deeper into that.

Now let's get right back to the podcast.

Fantastic. So another thing you mentioned earlier was breath work. You did a little bit of breath work on the rock when you were going through your process on our ride today. Tell us about your specific type of breath work,

I'm, uh, breathwork is, uh, he's giving me shivers.

breathwork is powerful. Yeah, totally. Totally. It's really powerful. Bray, it's, breathwork is something that I kind of discovered, uh, in like 2020. And he helped me go through a bunch of things in my life. And it was such a, an amazing kind of teacher, in a way. I've learned so much through that about myself, about others.

Like so, so many things. And, [00:28:00] um, and it's, it's a, it's a super useful tool that you can use, uh, whenever, like we actually don't really know how to breathe in general. Like we, we don't really pay attention to our breath. Most of the time we breathe through our mouth instead of our, to our nose, which is kind of crazy.

We should breathe through our nose. Um, but anyways, with the breath, you can rise up your energy or you can. Lower your energy in really quickly. And so for something like that today at the top, like I felt like I needed more clarity in my brain because I couldn't really see the line. So I was like, maybe if I do some really energy, energy breath.

The energy is going to rise up. My clarity is going to, my brain is going to be more clear. I'm going to see the thing a bit better. And then that's what I will do also for the start of a race. Like just before a race, before a stage, I will do some really strong breath. And then your energy, boom, really rise [00:29:00] up.

And then the opposite, if you want your energy, like calm yourself down, calm your nervous system,

close your eyes. And that's also a really good way to ground yourself as well. And then now I can talk through my process as well. So sometimes that's what I say to my clients before they do a line. Do a few deep breaths to calm yourself. And then once you are, when you are centered, go through your process.

Totally. Talk it

out loud. Yeah, it's a great way of getting the mind back to the present, isn't it? I know so often we're perhaps thinking about things that happened in the past. Or imagining what could go wrong in the future.

Bring yourself back to the present. Now, now I'm here. This is what I'm doing.

That's fantastic. I can definitely relate. I use both ways. It's amazing. Exactly the same way as you mentioned that. And I know, even thinking back, we did a bunch of coaching together at the start of the season in the spring. You were coaching me. you were really challenging me.

Taking [00:30:00] me to some lines that I've never even thought of riding before.

We did some cool stuff and the last session we did, uh, we already pushed it.

Really pushed it. That's stuff that Quite often though, you know, I had a good night's sleep. I'd had my morning coffee. I was feeling good Yeah, getting there lots of energy But when we get to these lines and I'd start feeling quite challenged quite nervous all of a sudden I'd start yawning Yeah, I don't know.

I just feel kind of tired. Stress It's interesting, isn't it? How the body reacts. Fear, stress,

kind of,

eww. The body was trying to keep me safe by telling me to go back to

bed. It shuts you down, eh? It shuts you down and it's like sending you a bunch of red flags. Be careful. You're in danger But you can completely control

that, case, yeah, I kind of used breathwork to shift myself back to the present and think logically, I go, okay, Jake, maybe I can do this, I do have the tools, I do have the skills to do this, and we worked through it and did it, so that was a

really cool experience.

To go, at some point, and that's, I think, a really, uh, like, I don't know the science behind that, why, when we get scared, [00:31:00] the, our body probably kind of shuts down, huh? And the energy, really, I do the same, sometimes I start yawning. Before a race, I'm scared. And then,


But then it's crazy that we, by simply doing some really powerful breath, you can really rise up the energy, and that's what you need.

Before doing an early line or an event, your energy needs to rise up. You don't have to be like,

Let's go! You don't have to be like

that. But you can simply, like, center yourself, rise up the energy, you are in the present, you really want it, you're good. And that's something that we

definitely, yeah. There's that kind of perfect in between, isn't there?

And I think often we're referred to as like the flow state where we're alert enough to be really focused in the present that we're not so alert that we become maybe anxious or our brain's overactive. Do you ever experience that on the trail? Like feeling anxious, fearful, overthinking

things? The, by today.

Like for example, up here. When I was doing it before dropping the thing. Like definitely, it's [00:32:00] a scary, it's a scary move. And then I think that the fear is never going to leave. Like, we're always going to be scared at some point, riding our bikes, huh? But it's like, what do you do with that fear? Do you, are you going to let it take over?

And then that's it? Or can you transform it into something, uh, positive? Totally, yeah. And the, uh, yeah, it's never leaving me, huh? Like sometimes, a lot of the time when I do some gnarly lines, I'm at the top, I get like really sweaty palms. And that's, uh, I know that I'm in the zone. Like when, when this is happening for me, I'm like, Ooh, sweaty palms.

Here we are again. It

reminds me of that quote. Like turning nervousness to excitement. Yeah. And I think I read somewhere, I think I even posted this, that Uh, nervousness could be explained as excitement without the breath. Oh, interesting. So that kind of links to what you were talking about. Using breath work to go from nervousness to excitement.

Exactly. There we go, connecting the dots. I love it. [00:33:00] Awesome man. So obviously these can be really powerful tools and it's so great to be able to have these tools in your toolkit as a mountain biker to be able to work through fear, anxiousness, nerves, whatever it is. It can also be dangerous at times too.

Perhaps if we're working through fear but we don't have the skills or we don't have the risk tolerance. Yes. I know you mentioned out on our ride as well that you've been working through kind of developing a bit of a tool to help you. Yeah. Assess risk. Let's talk about that.

But it's a little bit what we've been just like kind of talking about, huh?

Like going through that kind of, like some sort of a checklist. Mm. That... Like simply it can, like just going through that little checklist, I will know, boom, this is a no go right now. And there's no, no, no ego with that. Today, it's, it's not every day that it's a sandy day. It's, there's some days where...

You're not, you're not feeling it. And then I, for me...

For me right [00:34:00] now, we've, uh, what happened to Aven. So like right now for people who don't know, I have a really close friend of mine, like young rider, 18 year old, Aven Elsberg who had a big crash, um, a month ago, just past a month ago now. And he's at the Vancouver general hospital, uh, Brock EC five, uh, severely kind of touched his spinal cord and he's now.

Uh, he's now paralyzed. That's, uh, that's how he is right now. And it's a very, very tough situation. We still don't know like how far of a recovery he's going to do. Like he's making huge progress. Like I've been, I've been going to visit him a few times now and he's, uh, he's making progress, but it's, uh, it's crazy to see that.

So for me, I've, made me kind of reflect a lot on, uh, on the, the, the risk that we take. And it seems that right now we don't have tools to [00:35:00] actually measure the risk and say to today, the conditions are shit. I'm not going to take this risk today. My bike is not feeling great. I'm not going to do that today.

I'm feeling tired. I'm not going to do that. And if we have a tool that we can use all the time, you ride a double black and beyond. Which, as we mentioned, like, if you crash on some of the stuff that you do, that we do, you severely gonna hurt yourself. And it's not every day that, even if you've done the move many, many times, today might not be the day.

Today might be a day where, uh, I'm feeling a bit off today.

Not doing that. It can be a hard thing to do, can't it? When you're maybe with a crew of riders, your friends, and they're like, hey man, you do this all the time. Like, you can do this. It can be hard sometimes to say, yeah, I know, but I don't want to do it today.

Yeah, exactly. Exactly. So, circling back there, we'll put the link, uh, for the GoFundMe, uh, in the show

notes. So, yeah, there is a, there is definitely, there is a link, there is a GoFundMe, So, if there's a lot of people who want to help, like I know that when something like that happen in the mountain [00:36:00] bike community, the mountain bike community gets together.

And then, but most of, most of the time people don't really know how to help and then just like donating a little bit of money really goes a long way, especially in a case like that. So there's a link in the description and then, uh, thank you for, uh, for helping out.

Absolutely, yeah, do what you can there.

Circling back, this, this tool you're talking about sounds really cool to me because... I've talked to a lot of people here in the industry about mountain biking, about mindset, and you know, we do have tools, there's lots of tools, but we're kind of all using a different scattered assortment of tools, so it sounds like what you're envisioning there is kind of formalising this into a bit of a checklist, that we as mountain bikers of all levels can kind of follow and be like, okay, do the stars align, is today a good day.

And it reminds me, like, you know, obviously we do wilderness first aid in the coaching game. We're trained in that. We've got checklists in our backpack. And it's like, okay. You know, what is this person suffering? Is this good? Is this bad? Should we move them? Should we [00:37:00] leave them here? Is there a point of entry?

You go in the backcountry in the winter. There is many tools that can really assess the risk with like avalanche and stuff like that. Totally. Things, something that doesn't exist right now in the mountain bike world and that's coming out really soon. Fantastic. Stay tuned.

I'm excited to say that and see how I can utilize that in my own riding as well.

we're going to get into a little bit about your racing and your coaching in a second but I just wanted to kind of finish the mindset talk here. I always like to ask people, do you have any, any mottos or anything you'll say to yourself while you're riding to again get yourself into the zone?

I saw

So, yes, I do, and they, they are different depending on the day. And then

How I kind of discovered that is in 2014, um, when I signed with, uh, the Giant Factory of our team. I had an amazing team manager on Joe Stubb. I think he's still team manager of Giant, actually, right now. And, um, we, it's funny with Giant, we had all the tools we needed to, like, really perform at our best.[00:38:00]

And one thing that we realized really quickly when I started racing, uh, as a, as a pro, is that he will always take me. a few stages, like two or three stages to get completely, uh, fully at my fastest pace. And we're like, kind of weird. And he was like, you can, you know that you can actually tweak your brain and then try to like not have it, not, not have this kind of warmup and then perform after.

He was like, let's try to And it was like the only, and the only thing that we're going to do at first is that we're going to put in your handlebar that's going to say, this is not stage one, this is not stage one, this is stage three. So getting your

brain to perform like stage

three. This is stage three and I'm going to try to remind myself how, what was my, the, the anger, like what was my, my, my mindset entering stage three?

Why would it [00:39:00] differ from stage one? Hmm. Like what would be the difference? And then enter stage one. Now the same way as I was entering stage three. And then the only, the, what I kind of realized is that stage one was always like, Oh, I don't know where really, where I am, where I stack and everything. And I will be like top five or top 10 or whatever.

And then all of a sudden, I'm like, Oh, I'm actually kind of in the game. Let's get it. Let's get into the top five. And then I would boom, boom, boom, boom, boom, make a comeback. So I was like, let's be like stage three, but on stage one. And then he worked. All of a sudden, I was like game on, on stage one, and then it really worked.

So at this time, I started to like change my notes on my handlebar, and then sometimes it was like, look up, and break early. Really, you know, like little, little details, depending on the race, depending on the day and how I felt on that day, and what were the three key words that were really resonating with me.

And I remember my first podium in EWS during Crankworx. It was actually my team, my [00:40:00] mechanic, Colin Bailey, the morning of the race, he looked at me, and I was like, Colin, put my words on my handlebar. And then the words were, believe, attack, execute. Believe, attack,

execute. I like it.

And during the full day, I was in that mode, and, uh, got second.

First podium ever. And so now, now I always like... When someone is going to drop in on doing something, I always going to try to find like few words that are going to really match the way either you have to execute the move or the way the person has to be. Be like smooth, nice and tall, relax, committed, like you know, like depending on the feature and how they have to write it, three words are like just enough to...

Switch someone's mind and like putting in their A game. That's so interesting,

isn't it? This is something that I've only really kind of embodied in the last few years as well. It's amazing. I always kind of knew intellectually like, oh yeah, language is important, positive self talk, whatever. [00:41:00] But actually embodying that and doing it in my riding has helped so much.

Yeah, like power

words. You need to show up on that and you need to be strong. You need to be relaxed, composed, but strong. You know, you can be like that. You can be really relaxed and composed, but I'm strong. I want it. Boom. Yeah, like a warrior. Strong attitude.

Yeah. It's, it's, you know, we see it the opposite, don't we?

In people and in ourselves. If we're telling ourselves these stories, like, I'm, I'm not good at riding on roots, or I'm, I'm not fast, or I'm, whatever it is, then we're not. Right?

Then, then you're not.

If you show up like you're, boom, stage three, let's go. Yeah. Doesn't matter if it's stage one or stage six, does it?

Like, I'm, I'm really bad with, uh, with, uh, like organization. I'm not someone that's really organized. That's why I have my wonderful Olivia, uh, my assistant, and she really takes care of all my bookings and everything. She does a great [00:42:00] job. uh, but that's something that I can switch. I can be like, you know what?

I'm organized. You're not really organized. But right now, since I'm a little kid, in my head, I'm disorganized. So maybe I can shift

that. So until we change that story, we're telling ourselves we can't change the physical behavior. Today's day one, man. I'm organized. I love it. I'm really organized. Dude, you've obviously learned a wealth of information about the technical side and the mental side of mountain biking in the last few years.

Yeah. I always like to ask people this question. If you could put a percentage on it or a figure on it, how many percent or how much percent of mountain biking would you say is mental?

Oof. It's a lot, actually. It goes hand in hand. The two get together. Your skills and the mental. If sometimes your mental is too high and your skills are too low, it's not going to go well. And vice versa. So it's like a bit of a... But [00:43:00] sometimes it can be 80 percent mental. And sometimes less skill. But I think the mental is always going to be pretty important.

Because that's the... The last thing you really check in with yourself before doing something a bit gnarly, it's gonna be in your in your head Yeah, like if you don't see it, if you don't feel it, if you're not like, uh, It's not not good. I agree. Yeah, that is I think really Predominant. Totally.

It's like we can have the best bike in the world.

We can really fit and strong We can have good technical skills coaching, but if our brains making us feel fearful, exactly,

we're not gonna do the thing. Yeah I've, I've seen that with a Kate Lawrence. Kate Lawrence is a EWS rider from, uh, the Yeti factory. And she's been kind of like watching a ride. And we've all the coaching session that we've done riding as like improve so much.

And she's been riding like super strong, like, like, Like riding a bike, like a racer, like a top [00:44:00] racer. And then at the beginning, I think she was, beginning of the season this year, she was really struggling to find her pace. And I think she was simply not, uh, believing in herself. And then all of a sudden, boom, something clicked.

And then, boom, top ten. Wow. And she's getting more consistent into the front of the field now, which is amazing. Yeah. And that was just, her skill level didn't change compared to like, a few months ago. She's still that strong rider, but her mental change and then now she knows that she's one of the best in the front of the wagon up there.


dude. It's so cool, isn't it? It's super cool, huh? Yeah. Amazing the impact it can have. That's a perfect segway there. Let's talk a little bit about Into the Gnar and let's talk a little bit about the coaching you're doing through that.

Yeah. So Into the Gnar, uh, Into the Gnar started as a video series in 2019.

With my GoPro. It was super cool. And, uh, He became, uh, like my coaching [00:45:00] company. And I do a lot of private coaching. We started programs, Nate Spitz works with me now. Freeride programs, racing programs, we're kind of doing like starting now a little kids program as well, from 10 to 12 year old. And really our segment is that kind of freeride aspect of things.

A little bit of racing because that's my, my, my, my main passion back in the days, and I have a lot of knowledge in that. So we're really doing that as well. But our real segment is like free ride and looking at lines and really like boosting the level of riders technically and mentally. That's what I do the best.

That's really cool dude, I love what you're doing with that. And what was the inspiration going from like a video series with yourself and some of your friends riding Nali lines here? What was the inspiration to take that out and offer it to the public as a coaching package as

well? I think that for me, since the beginning of my career as a biker, from when I was a little kid to when I was racing at my highest [00:46:00] level in Angereau and Darnille.

When you race, it's only about yourself. Like it's so like... It's like everything that you do is about you performing at the best you can. So it's, it's so kind of selfish. It's a selfish world in a way, which is amazing. And I think that's a phase when you are young and you are really angry for this kind of stuff.

I think it's amazing and do it. And you're going to learn so much about yourself and others and all this kind of stuff. But at some point for me, it felt like, It was not enough and I've done that so much for yourself for so long that it was time to Transition and to to give back to people all the things that I've learned now give it back to people and then elevate the riding and Just like elevate the sport.

It's so cool to see. Yeah. Yeah, I love what you're doing with and

I really really enjoy it Sometimes people are like do you miss racing like and of course I do But for [00:47:00] me taking someone on a trail and then seeing the progress in like a few hours, couple hours is so rewarding and I love it. Yeah. I love it.

And like

what's the, this is a tough question, but what's the most important chunk of knowledge or skill that you're hoping to impart on your students?

By like, I think maybe, uh, that ego side of things that at some point you, you, there is no uh. And then I see it a lot with sometimes people showing up for some sessions and they are like, you know, like they see me on like whatever on videos and stuff and Remy and things and they probably think that it's like, okay, let's send and they actually don't see that it's actually so calculated.

We are so calculated we do. And as soon as they start to understand that, and it's not just like pure ego and like pure adrenaline rush. Ah, ah, ah, let's go. We are

not like just... Without that chugging red

bull... That haven't seen [00:48:00] Yoann's humble beginnings, go back and... And that's actually,

that's how we started. Yeah. Like I, I really uh... I was completely crazy at this

time. So for those that haven't seen it, and maybe we'll link this one as well, go back and search the old video, How to be a pro by Yohan Barelli.


and that's when I really, uh, I was really trying to make it in the, as a pro and, and then that's, at some point I was like seeing like Semenuk's video and like really like high produced videos and stuff and I was like, Oh, basically if you don't have the budget to do this kind of stuff, your videos are going to be the same as everybody and you are not going to, and I was not as good of a rider as, as Semenuk and as I am now.

So I was like, but maybe because I'm such a, a goofy man, let's actually boost that. Right. And not so much the riding. And, uh, and then just like, and I like acting. I like to kind of act and, and just be funny. [00:49:00] And, uh, and then that's, that's what I did. So I started a series of like tutorials, videos, that were completely crazy.

And I was like, let's not put any limit in that, and just, let's be completely crazy in the thing, and it kind of worked

out. I love it, that kind of paired this, yeah, this fun, goofy personality with your riding talent as well. And, honestly, that's what kind of drew me to you as a coach as well. I was like, man, I love this guy's energy, like I want to go and learn from you.

Thank you. Yeah, it's fantastic. And I wanted to ask, like, what's the biggest obstacle you see in your students, if you had to pick one, the biggest obstacle they face in their riding progression?

so it would be, I think one of the, one of the big mistakes that people do, it's not even a mistake actually, but something that people do and not actually not do these days is that they ride in a very passive position.

The bikes have changed so much along the years, the bikes are super long now. Long, slack, uh, heavier. Like at some point, we were, um, 10 years ago, we were [00:50:00] trying to have the lightest bikes. And now, like, an Enduro bike is like 16 kilos, 17 kilos easily, huh? With the droppers and all the stuff on it. So these bikes, basically, they require us to be really active on the bike.

If you ride in a really passive position, knees bent a bit forward like that, and then backseat a bit, nothing good is gonna happen from there. But if you are like on top of your bike, legs a bit more straight, like kind of a more of a deadlift position on top of your handlebars, not in the back, on top of your handlebars, you are in a way better position to actually move and place your bike from side to side.

Your shoulders are moving, your legs are moving, and then all of a sudden you're really riding the trail. It increases your control, it increases your stability, and if you have the feeling that you are in control everywhere, your confidence, whoop! It's gonna go up and then that's the the key for progression.

Yeah, man I love that and it really clicked for me when we're kind of doing the coaching. Yeah, right We need to become more like a driver. Yeah, dynamic. Exactly. [00:51:00] Yeah, and I've seen in your demos. Yeah, really active active

Yeah, super each movement like the way I kind of did the kind of analogy that I have is like imagine a pump track If you ride a pump track and you are completely passive and you are not moving what's gonna happen?

Yeah, not much. It's good. Nothing. Nothing. If I start from zero kilometers an hour and I'm like that and I don't move on the pump track, I'm not going to go anywhere. If I enter a pump track full gas and I'm passive and I don't move, I'm going to get bucked everywhere. So a pump track is really when my front wheel is cresting that dome at the top up there, I'm going to engage my shoulders forward and I'm going to push arms and legs in the compression.

Engage my shoulders forward, push arms and legs in the compression. So imagine that the trails that you ride, it's like a giant pump track. Each movement, you're gonna have to move on your bike, you're gonna have to follow the terrain. If you're passive, it's not gonna go really... And the faster you go and the more you're passive, the more you're gonna go for a bit of a rodeo.

[00:52:00] Absolutely. And it's not gonna feel good. No, it doesn't feel good. I'm sure we've all felt that. So active,

I think, is the key right now to ride, um, new kind of, new age. Kind of geometry is really active. That's a great

explanation. And I wanted to ask, like, what's next for you? Your career has evolved a whole lot over the years.

We know. Yeah, you're coaching, you're riding five days a week. Yeah. Uh, you kind of mentioned to me, I think in one of our other rides, like, right, I'm going to ride, I'm going to coach as much as I can. Yeah. While I'm young and able. Yeah. Where do you see yourself progressing? I guess you're going to stay in mountain biking, I imagine.

Oh, for sure, for you see your career progressing in, say, like, 10, 20 years from now?

10, 20 years from now, not even five years, 10, 20 years. And I think I'm going to, my, the coaching is going to, is going to continue to develop itself and grow in that direction because I really enjoy it. And then let's see where that takes us.

There is the, the tour as well. That's something that, uh, it's been year three now to the now, [00:53:00] and then this year was a bit, uh, it was definitely crazy. A lot of riders. We had a crowd following us. It was quite a. It was quite insane actually to see like how, boom, it really took off. Pinkbike was there to cover the thing and it was really, uh, really cool to see actually and how something really clicked at some point during the tour where at first, a lot of riders and then I think everybody was trying to show who they were.

So it was a bit hectic in the morning and then it rained for two days before and it was definitely whoo Sketchy conditions, but then something clicked and then all of a sudden the mindset kind of changed people started to be like more Mellow and like ego was gone and it was it was really amazing. So Everybody who did the tour this year, I think really felt Um, something that they probably never really felt before, like something where there is like a lot of support and like, like a community kind of event where everybody really support [00:54:00] each other and encourage each other.

So, Tour Denard is gonna, um, go further. That's where I want to take it. I really want to make it like some sort of an official event. And, uh, I'm going to grow that. So let's see where it, let's see where it goes. Exciting times. But I want to, yeah, I want to pursue that thing. Yeah, I can't wait to see where you take it.

Let's, let's see. So far there's, there's different, different options, different ideas, but we are still at ground zero.

So positioning yourself as what you're already doing, like an event facilitator.

But right now it's not an event, huh? It's very an underground, uh, like, it's a ride. We're going for a ride with some friends.

We're going for a gnarly ride

for a full day. Stepping up as some kind of leader and, you know, talking people through, like, the vibe and, you know, leave your ego at home and these kinds of

things already. Definitely. That was, that was the first message that we had in the morning with everybody. Uh, it was, it was that kind of safety message.

We've like, we talked about the ego. It's going to show probably in the movie as well. And we, we've already, that was the [00:55:00] first thing we said in the morning. I love it. Yeah. No, no ego. If you don't, don't feel something, we don't seem to, we don't do

it. So send it safely. Send it safely.

That's my, that should be actually my motto.

Send it, send it safely. That's what I say to people actually when I see them and we chat sometimes on the trail. It's like, send it! Safely!

Wise words, wise words.

Well, this has been a fantastic conversation. I've learned so much just sitting here talking to you. So thank you.

as we start to wrap up here, I wanted to just give you the opportunity. Is there any other sponsors or industry partners you wanted to mention? You've got a Fantastic, New Jersey. All these people, you know, look

at, look at that. Devinchi, Industry Nine, North Shore Billet, Ride Wrap, SDG, TRP, EXT, Abus.

We have here Decent Lab Socks. We have also right here, uh, Coast Optic. Coast Optic,

you know Coast Optic? These are a cool new brand, right? From Whistler here to Sustainable? Local,

local [00:56:00] brand. Made almost 100 percent out of recycled plastic. Everything. Uh, local brand from Whistler. The product is not made in Whistler, of course.

When they grow, they will be able to maybe buy machines here and molds and stuff like that, which, that's the direction they want to take. But really cool, really cool little company right here. Ooh. And, uh... Look at this beast right here.

Yeah, some really cool brands there supporting you. It's fantastic to see it.

I love the local, theme there. And of course NF. NF as well, yeah. Best, uh, best pants in the

business, right? Best pants and jerseys and all the things, yeah. Fantastic,

dude. Um, one last question here as we wind up. Who do you look up to in the mountain biking world?

Many people, actually. It depends. Come on, man, you gotta give me an answer.

I, I'd say that for me, for me, uh, my, when I think about someone that I really look up to and that I admire and that I really support, [00:57:00] is, uh, my buddy, Loic Bruni. Okay, bro. We kind grew up, uh, he's younger than me, but when he, I was racing in the like 2005 to 2010, 12 in Darnell. He was just starting his debut.

He was a little, little grown. And who would've known ? Yeah. Who would've known that Loic will become such a, such a beast and such a incredible racer. Like incredible racer, like he's the, the definition of a racer that it's Loic, like, and how to put on a show and with the fans and, uh, and like to be on his A game when it's, when it's actually the moment to be on the A game, World Championship, that's his jam.

It's incredibly talented.

Yeah, yeah, yeah. It must have been cool to see that, that full journey from humble beginnings growing up with him to

where he is now. It's super cool. And then same with Loris Vergé. I think that. My French route , like, I think [00:58:00] like my, the crew of Frenches that are performing at the top.

These are the people that are really, uh, that are really support phs as well. There's so many people actually. Yeah, totally. In the mountain bike world. Yeah. So many, so many people. Um, what's his name? Tom Bergen. Yep. Beast as well. Guy. The guy just like. Crashed so many times and broke himself and he's always like back and on the strongest that he's ever been.

It's insane, uh, the commitment. Every, every people that are really pushing the limit and they are really pushing themselves and to be at the, at the point, at the sharp end of their sport. Their sport is, uh, like it's incredible. It's really, the commitment is insane. Yeah, man. Jesse, like Richie, like there's so many, so many really rad athletes to follow these


So much inspiration in the mountain biking world. And we've talked about all kinds of different things here. What's the biggest takeaway that you hope listeners remember from this [00:59:00] conversation?

do things for the, for the right reasons. And then don't do things for like ego based in a way. Cause that's the perfect recipe for at some point it's not going to work out.

Uh, it's not going to work out. And uh, have fun, be safe. Send it safely.

Wise words there. where can people find you, follow along with your adventures and check out your coaching online?

On Instagram, uh, you can follow me at @yoannbarelli, on YouTube the same. YouTube I'm not so much consistent but that's because I was not really organized.

Now I'm super organized so I'm going to be more consistent on YouTube. Uh, and then my coaching website Uh, into the gnar . com and then you can book sessions with me, with Nate and then, uh, Jake, maybe one day, maybe one day.

Fantastic, dude. Thanks so much for this. Beautiful. It's been fantastic. Let's go send it.

Let's go send it. Thank you for listening. Thank you for watching. And [01:00:00] let's, let's go. Right

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